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ratzinger, was very keenly aware of what happened to pope john paul ii. he talked to people about how his demise seemed somewhat of a dishonorable end to his papacy. he had in his mind already what type of glorious exit, to use the phrase, he may want in store for him. let's get some perspective as to what is coming out of the vatican as to why this is happening, what it means. john allen, our senior vatican analyst, joins us now. what do we know, john? >> reporter: what we know is that we are living through a day of enormous shock here in rome. not so much the pope benedict xvi chose to resign. he signaled two years ago that he would be open to doing that, but the fact that we had absolutely no indication this was coming today. precisely because of that, therefore, there are some enormous unanswered questions about how all of this is going to play out. i suppose the biggest questions would be, "a," what will the role of a retired pope be? will he continue to play any kind of public role? will he continue to exercise any influence on the future direction
ratzinger, was very keenly aware of what happened to pope john paul ii. he talked to people about how his demise seemed somewhat of a dishonorable end to his papacy. he had in his mind already what type of glorious exit, to use the phrase, he may want in store for him. let's get some perspective as to what is coming out of the vatican as to why this is happening, what it means. john allen, our senior vatican analyst, joins us now. what do we know, john? >> reporter: what we know is that...
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and new secretary of state john kerry. she comes out at a 61% approval rating. her husband, bill clinton, who played a big part at getting president obama re-elected is speaking at a keynote conference in leesburg, virginia. joe, it's great to see you. first off, your reaction to those polls there and seeing hillary clinton at the top 61%. any surprise to you? >> no, i don't think there's a surprise at all. i think she was an admired figure before she went to the state department and it only built upon that. i wouldn't make too much from the differential between her and president obama either. when you're in office and you're fighting every day, and the fights are partisan, you know, then 30, 40% of the country is not going to be admiring of you on any given day. i think there's something, too -- the same thing happened with her husband when he left office. you know, his numbers grat you'dly went up and i think it's a recognition of what she's done over her whole career. >> right now it's a one-way street with this new web
and new secretary of state john kerry. she comes out at a 61% approval rating. her husband, bill clinton, who played a big part at getting president obama re-elected is speaking at a keynote conference in leesburg, virginia. joe, it's great to see you. first off, your reaction to those polls there and seeing hillary clinton at the top 61%. any surprise to you? >> no, i don't think there's a surprise at all. i think she was an admired figure before she went to the state department and it...
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ran paul is leading the charge on this. he says i'm going to object in any way we can until we find out whether or not the head of the cia claims the authority to kill americans without a trial with a drone in america. >> which is an amazing thing for a conservative republican senator to be saying. to making an unimaginably soft on military power left wing argument against john brennan and drones. you wonder what his fellow members of the republican caucus are saying about or to rand paul. dude, you know, we like drones. we like killing people. >> i don't think rand paul does too much working with the caucus sounds like. i think that's the issue. >> you know, maggie, a lot of people think it's premature for us to be talking about 2016. rand paul is going to be a serious issue for the republican party not just because he is giving a post-buttle -- post-buttle to the rebuttal -- so many buttales -- but because he is very consistent and has a fired up -- rand paul has a very fired up constituency, and i think in a lot of ways
ran paul is leading the charge on this. he says i'm going to object in any way we can until we find out whether or not the head of the cia claims the authority to kill americans without a trial with a drone in america. >> which is an amazing thing for a conservative republican senator to be saying. to making an unimaginably soft on military power left wing argument against john brennan and drones. you wonder what his fellow members of the republican caucus are saying about or to rand...
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he had a tough act to follow in the wake of global adoration enjoyed by his predecessor, pope john paul ii. he rose to the occasion, travelling abroad, two dozen times, including trips to israel, the united states and lebanon. born in germany in 1947 he was forced to join the hitler youth and nazi army but deserted toward the end of the world. cardinal ratzinger had an enforcement of catholic doctrine. he was tenure include sexual abuse scandal ins the church. accused of being slow to act to resol tv problem he gained credit for how he dealt with the crisis. >> handleed it sensitively and very forth rightly amid clarity. he brought in measures to try and stamp out the coverup culture and he has brought in base for people to console. >> a great goal was to bring people back to the church, as what he considered the excessive secularization. he employed skills as a writer and a teacher. >> it was incredible effective. he sounded just like a real good parish catechism teacher. combination there of great depth. same time, simplicity in explaining some of the concepts. >> while he enlisted --
he had a tough act to follow in the wake of global adoration enjoyed by his predecessor, pope john paul ii. he rose to the occasion, travelling abroad, two dozen times, including trips to israel, the united states and lebanon. born in germany in 1947 he was forced to join the hitler youth and nazi army but deserted toward the end of the world. cardinal ratzinger had an enforcement of catholic doctrine. he was tenure include sexual abuse scandal ins the church. accused of being slow to act to...
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ron johnson of wisconsin and rand paul of kentucky round out the list. news busters caught double standard of of keystone pipeline protest we told you about early. news hour found 36 words for the march for life, hyping pipeline protest as the biggest climate rally in u.s. history in the segment nine times as long. while the protests were going on focus of the media gaze on the president's golf trip to florida with tiger woods. a pair of texans who are key, oil, gas and keystone pipeline players. the white house says president obama is committed to the environmental issues and the golf trip had nothing to do with the policy. >>> the u.s. postal service lost more than $40 billion in the last several years, billion with a "b" announced it would stop saturday delivery is getting in the clothing business. they signed a deal with the ohio based clothing company to produce line of apparel dubbed rain, heat and snow. it includes wearable electronics like jackets with ipad controls built in the sleeve. the move will help the bottom line and they say it is about
ron johnson of wisconsin and rand paul of kentucky round out the list. news busters caught double standard of of keystone pipeline protest we told you about early. news hour found 36 words for the march for life, hyping pipeline protest as the biggest climate rally in u.s. history in the segment nine times as long. while the protests were going on focus of the media gaze on the president's golf trip to florida with tiger woods. a pair of texans who are key, oil, gas and keystone pipeline...
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john boehner, eric cantor, and paul ryan, and paul ryan and cantor are going to keep boehner to the right. i mean, cantor and ryan's advisors have told us privately there is no opening for tax revenue in this deal at all. i'm want sure if john boehner would do it independently of them, but the people that we've seen who have been completely ineffective are the people on the house armed services committee, the people who make these decisions usually, but the chairman has not been able to sway boehner at all. we've seen the stalemate because of that, and cantor and rooen are going to keep boehner on the right. >> people outside the process are saying this is the dumbest way to do business, to have a meat ax approach and have across the board cuts. yes, it does achieve some budget savings, but does it not in any kind of intelligent way of planning. >> which is why if you talk to the people on capitol hill, the people who are making these decisions, they say that down the road if there are huge economic damages -- i mean, we don't really know what's going to happen to the economy if the seque
john boehner, eric cantor, and paul ryan, and paul ryan and cantor are going to keep boehner to the right. i mean, cantor and ryan's advisors have told us privately there is no opening for tax revenue in this deal at all. i'm want sure if john boehner would do it independently of them, but the people that we've seen who have been completely ineffective are the people on the house armed services committee, the people who make these decisions usually, but the chairman has not been able to sway...
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. >> senators john paul and john mccain slammed the white house allegedly for leaking the plan on purpose. >> this is the prosecutor pea doing his own plan. it shows me he's really not serious. when they come out and say my way or the highway and if congress doesn't ask be with i'll put it on the desk and say pass it now, that's no way to get it done. but it seems to me to show the president really doesn't want immigration reform. >> leaks don't happen in washington by accident. this races the question that many of us continue to wonder about. does the president really want a result or does he want another reason to beat up republicans so he can get political advantage in the next election? >> he argued the white house plan and bipartisan negotiations shared some key elements. >> republican, this was leaked. it's also clear that it's incomplete. there's a silver lining in this which is that there are a lot of co commonalities between the two plans. >> was this intention by the white house to pressure congress at this point it doesn't matter. if the compromise doesn't happen, they will dro
. >> senators john paul and john mccain slammed the white house allegedly for leaking the plan on purpose. >> this is the prosecutor pea doing his own plan. it shows me he's really not serious. when they come out and say my way or the highway and if congress doesn't ask be with i'll put it on the desk and say pass it now, that's no way to get it done. but it seems to me to show the president really doesn't want immigration reform. >> leaks don't happen in washington by...
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. >>> the man who shot pope john paul ii back in 1981 said he was following orders from iran's. >> the weapons were from a group that called for an end to the u.s. military presence found on a vessel intercepted in january. >> he was observed operating erratically and low in the water. so a routine boarding was conducted. arms were discovered. we had crew statements that indicated the point of origin was iran. >> beyond yemen, a new british report concludes iran has been expanding its footprint in africa by secretly supplying unmarked ammunition like the shipment uncovered in lagos in 2010 to fuel regional conflicts. the report describes iran's role in the sudan as sustained and potentially escalating. fox news is told that an israeli strike on the sudanese warehouse in objecting was linked to the iran smuggling operation. the head of the house intelligence committee who receives regular briefings on iran. >> it's to escalate arms flow. why, they're feeling the pressure of sanctions. >> while tehran denies involvement, this week authorities link last summer's bus bombing that killed 5
. >>> the man who shot pope john paul ii back in 1981 said he was following orders from iran's. >> the weapons were from a group that called for an end to the u.s. military presence found on a vessel intercepted in january. >> he was observed operating erratically and low in the water. so a routine boarding was conducted. arms were discovered. we had crew statements that indicated the point of origin was iran. >> beyond yemen, a new british report concludes iran has...
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following the death of john paul he was elected pope back in 2005. he was 78, the oldest person to become pope in almost 300 years. little has been said publicly about his health, which made his resignation even more surprising since he said his strength has deteriorated recently. let's get some more now on the pope's health. our chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta, is joining us. sanjay, what do we know about the pope's health as of late? >> well, you know, not much that's new here, wolf. and i think that's part of the reason this came as a surprise to so many people. certainly we know his age, 85 years old, and as a physician there's all sorts of different things that you certainly worry about. cardiovascular disease, diabetes, cancer, stroke. he had a hemorrhage in his brain they think back in 1991 that may have been due to a stroke. but a long time ago, and there was no evidence of anything recently along those lines. he had a fall where he broke his wrist in 2009. and there's been pictures of him where he seems to maybe more increasing
following the death of john paul he was elected pope back in 2005. he was 78, the oldest person to become pope in almost 300 years. little has been said publicly about his health, which made his resignation even more surprising since he said his strength has deteriorated recently. let's get some more now on the pope's health. our chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta, is joining us. sanjay, what do we know about the pope's health as of late? >> well, you know, not much that's new...
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of course, pope john paul ii had been pope since 1979. and so, of course, his impact felt not only in the religious world but also the political world. pope benedict, though, never really, of course, given the chance to emerge from the shadows. and it seems that for a good bit of his time, he was dogged by allegations that came through the child abuse scandal throughout certainly before his reign. he was constantly being dogged by questions regarding that. but mark halperin, an iconic figure replaced by pope benedict who has had a very short tenure and now is stepping down in a way that a lot of popes don't step down before they die. >> short tenure, and it's going to be scrutinized for some of the issues you raised. to me now thinking forward, it's going to be a very big story for catholics and others around the world including the question of will it be another european? there's going to be pressure to look to another region of the country as there was last time. i think it may happen this time. >> it's interesting because we're getting
of course, pope john paul ii had been pope since 1979. and so, of course, his impact felt not only in the religious world but also the political world. pope benedict, though, never really, of course, given the chance to emerge from the shadows. and it seems that for a good bit of his time, he was dogged by allegations that came through the child abuse scandal throughout certainly before his reign. he was constantly being dogged by questions regarding that. but mark halperin, an iconic figure...
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experienced a 6% increase in favorability, up from 56% during pope john paul ii's tenure and that's what the survey says. >>> coming up, she beats out her husband in almost every popularity poll. now michelle obama is back on the road and we'll look at what the second term may hold for the first lady. >>> first, the latest from south africa on where the olympic star accused of murder is now a day after being released on bail. you're watching msnbc. i've always had to keep my eye on her... but, i didn't always watch out for myself. with so much noise about health care... i tuned it all out. with unitedhealthcare, i get information that matters... my individual health profile. not random statistics. they even reward me for addressing my health risks. so i'm doing fine... but she's still going to give me a heart attack. we're more than 78,000 people looking out for more than 70 million americans. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. >>> more than 100 days after hurricane sand e some storm victims in new jersey are going home for the first time. officials of the small beach town
experienced a 6% increase in favorability, up from 56% during pope john paul ii's tenure and that's what the survey says. >>> coming up, she beats out her husband in almost every popularity poll. now michelle obama is back on the road and we'll look at what the second term may hold for the first lady. >>> first, the latest from south africa on where the olympic star accused of murder is now a day after being released on bail. you're watching msnbc. i've always had to keep my...
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chief counter terrorism advisor to head the cia and rand paul your colleague who will be on after the break says one of the things he wants to be sure is that a president can't order a drone attack against an american citizen without a judicial review. is senator paul wrong? >> i think the worst thing in the world is to have the courts decide who to target in the war on terrorism. courts are not military commanders. the commander in chief has the right under law and authorization to use military force to designate the enemy. i think we do need drones to patrol our borders but i don't think you need a drone to attack an al-qaeda operative within the united states. i very believe we are at war and any american citizen mo aids al-qaeda should be treated as a criminal combatant. drones are just a tactical weapon in the overall war. >> chris: when congress gets back from recess the week after this one, you are going to have just five days to try to deal with the sequester. the $85 billion in automatic spending cuts that kick in on march 1. some republican leaders say if it comes down to a
chief counter terrorism advisor to head the cia and rand paul your colleague who will be on after the break says one of the things he wants to be sure is that a president can't order a drone attack against an american citizen without a judicial review. is senator paul wrong? >> i think the worst thing in the world is to have the courts decide who to target in the war on terrorism. courts are not military commanders. the commander in chief has the right under law and authorization to use...
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it goes back really to the way you led this segment, which is with rand paul and john mccain and others talking about do the democrats want to do something or do they just want to -- they know the answer to that. the democrats passed the dream act in the house in 2010. john mccain was part of the republican filibuster against a majority of votes in the senate to advance the dream act and put it on the president's desk. there are many criticisms you can make about both parties being very opportunistic. that's what political parties are. they look for political opportunities, but we have a record here. both parties know the record. this group of democrats has done everything can you do facing obstruction to try to pass the dream act, which is stronger, according to many emgregs advocates, than what we have on the table now. >> that's because it was done by executive order, right? jose, really quickly before we let you go, are the -- the president is talking about march for immigration reform. how bullish or bearish are you on that date? >> i think by the end of the senate will come up, an
it goes back really to the way you led this segment, which is with rand paul and john mccain and others talking about do the democrats want to do something or do they just want to -- they know the answer to that. the democrats passed the dream act in the house in 2010. john mccain was part of the republican filibuster against a majority of votes in the senate to advance the dream act and put it on the president's desk. there are many criticisms you can make about both parties being very...
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if you ask republican senator rand paul, this crisis, it's a pittance. it's just really nibbling at the edges. no big deal. republican house speaker john boehner says this crisis threatens national security. republican congressman tom cole says fiscal questions trump defense. i can totally see how they are going to win the message war on this thing, right? they just have to pick one of their seven messages on it before deciding to award the points here. how this particular crisis is fought over to some people i'm sure is politically fascinating. to most of the country, though, it is unfascinating. it is not fascinating at all. it seems like the inarguably important and interesting thing here is that we keep doing this. this is how we govern now. between president obama and the republican-led house of representatives, this is how the united states government works now. we're not lurching from crisis to crisis because crises keep arising naturally in the world and we have to respond to them, we're lurching from crisis to crisis to crisis to crisis because
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., solinda lake and john feehery. john, i'll start with you. this is, i assume, you like hearing the words you are hearing from whether it's eric cantor, paul ryan or what we used there with bobby jindal. the question is, how does the republican party turn words into actions of trying to become persuaders? >> i think they have to channel their inner jack kemp. they have to think about, how do we get off the fiscal discipline message, which is really a bob dole message and get into an economic growth message. how do we lift all boats? jack kennedy and jack kemp. that's important for republicans. they can't just talk about how to cut spending. talk about why their policies are going to help people get back to work and get more flexibility in their lives and how it's an impediment to their daily lives. voters understand that but our party is characterized by the fiscal stuff and the social stuff. and there ain't -- they are not able to get beyond that conversation. >> it goes -- solinda, before we started you said, boy, this looks like the democra
., solinda lake and john feehery. john, i'll start with you. this is, i assume, you like hearing the words you are hearing from whether it's eric cantor, paul ryan or what we used there with bobby jindal. the question is, how does the republican party turn words into actions of trying to become persuaders? >> i think they have to channel their inner jack kemp. they have to think about, how do we get off the fiscal discipline message, which is really a bob dole message and get into an...
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yesterday the senate took up that same bill and even though it was hand-crafted by john boehner, eric cantor, and paul ryan, minority leader mitch mcconnell and 32 other republican senators opposed it. mcconnell's office released a statement saying leader mcconnell and other senate republicans had several amendments aimed forcing washington to cut government spending, but all were defeated by democrats. as a result, the leader simply couldn't support the bill. the word on capitol hill is that mcconnell's no vote was meant to appease his unruly kentucky constituents. perhaps angered over mcconnell's compromise on the fiscal cliff made last month with vice president joe biden. that deal averted a potential downgrade of america's credit rating. speaker boehner's bill to extend the debt limit did much the same, but for the extreme right wing flank of the gop, supporting two bills to prevent possibly catastrophic damage to the u.s. economy is perhaps one bill too far. glen, we talk a lot about the tunnel that ends in heart break that the gop may or may not be hurdling down, but these votes
yesterday the senate took up that same bill and even though it was hand-crafted by john boehner, eric cantor, and paul ryan, minority leader mitch mcconnell and 32 other republican senators opposed it. mcconnell's office released a statement saying leader mcconnell and other senate republicans had several amendments aimed forcing washington to cut government spending, but all were defeated by democrats. as a result, the leader simply couldn't support the bill. the word on capitol hill is that...
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john paul helped him through that. >> i sort of had a meltdown and right at that moment he comes out of his apartment and he noticed and he reached out to me and he thanked me for being there and he gave me courage. >> reporter: what were you doing? were you crying? >> yeah. >> reporter: you were? >> i stopped crying but he in theed my red eyes. >> reporter: as for what's to come, the top job isn't what we think. >> the pope is the end of your life. you have to give up all privacy. you're basically locked in. you can't go where you want to go. you lose your friends, you lose your family. you're a prisoner. not one cardinal wants to be pope. >> reporter: he didn't want to be pope? >> no way. he wanted to go back home and write books. they are walking into the assistant chapel like this. don't make eye contact. >> reporter: really? >> nobody wants to be pope. >> reporter: i asked widmer about the so called vatileaks and the reports of sexual scandals and mismanagements which the vatican has denied, i asked him whether that might have are driven pope benedict out and he said no. benedic
john paul helped him through that. >> i sort of had a meltdown and right at that moment he comes out of his apartment and he noticed and he reached out to me and he thanked me for being there and he gave me courage. >> reporter: what were you doing? were you crying? >> yeah. >> reporter: you were? >> i stopped crying but he in theed my red eyes. >> reporter: as for what's to come, the top job isn't what we think. >> the pope is the end of your life. you...
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look i was standing in precisely the same place back in 2005, eight years ago when pope john paul ii died and we went into the conclave which finally produced pope benedict xvi. that took a week and several false starts. when they can't come to a consensus you have the black smoke emanating from that special chimney in st. peter's and then finally the white smoke and then you don't even know who it is until the archbishop deacon cardinals deacon comes to the window and announces a new pope and only after that the new pope comes to the within to and is greeted. but that was still at least two weeks away. at least tweaks away from that being finalized. >> is the italian media still all over the scandals that are going on involving sex and intrigue, all that stuff that we've seen in those rome newspapers over the past few days, or have they moved on? >> well, they pretty much moved on. that of course was a big story over the weekend and into monday, the beginning of this week. as you can imagine it drove the vatican mad. they were really angry, angry with the press for writing about it,
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paul. and i think we'll end up with a similarly conservative pope. >> yeah, reverend al asked me during the commercial break what i thought. not that i would know anything about who's going to be the next pope. but one thing's for certain. given the last two popes' selection of cardinals throughout the world, they are all invariably quite conservative. so the next pope is going to, more probably than not, be similarly conservative. it's a bag job, the college of cardinals. they have rigged the deck. they have rigged the deck. >> but what you'll have, too -- >> spoken like a true catholic. >> you could have the first african pope. you could have the first latino pope. but ironically, those guys would be very conservative. you know, the growth of the church in africa is a very conservative movement. the same thing in latin america, although there's a bit of a protestant refirmation. he will be very conservative. >> everybody's talking about the possibility of an african pope. i just don't thi
paul. and i think we'll end up with a similarly conservative pope. >> yeah, reverend al asked me during the commercial break what i thought. not that i would know anything about who's going to be the next pope. but one thing's for certain. given the last two popes' selection of cardinals throughout the world, they are all invariably quite conservative. so the next pope is going to, more probably than not, be similarly conservative. it's a bag job, the college of cardinals. they have...
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from kentucky has said that he is willing to hold up that vote on john brennan. if he doesn't receive assurances from the white house that the united states will not target any drone strikes on americans on american soil. so some of this information i think the administration is hoping will at least for now satisfy some of those members with these concerns, wolf. >> it's going to be a tough battle, i take it. both of these confirmations likely to go through next week. but it's by no means a done deal, is it? >> reporter: it's not a -- especially when you have senators saying they may hold up nominees and so we're going to have to wait and see whether or not senator paul is satisfied with the information that he's getting from the white house. but this is perhaps, you know, a break in an impasse that we've seen for many, many months, especially over this issue of benghazi. we heard senator lindsey graham from south carolina almost basically stomp his feet up on capitol hill saying he is just not getting enough on this issue of benghazi. and according to this congr
from kentucky has said that he is willing to hold up that vote on john brennan. if he doesn't receive assurances from the white house that the united states will not target any drone strikes on americans on american soil. so some of this information i think the administration is hoping will at least for now satisfy some of those members with these concerns, wolf. >> it's going to be a tough battle, i take it. both of these confirmations likely to go through next week. but it's by no means...
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maybe they carve up the reasonable vote and rand paul walks through without looking. >> we know that jeb bush won the election in 2008. >> john mccain -- >> he also won, he took a hard line against immigration but was seen as a liberal republican earlier in his year. >> earlier in his career. >> at different points in his career. we tend to believe that moderate republicans can not get through the process but they have shown that it ends up happening. >> do they not get through the process, at the expense of, and look at the last republican primary as the example, by the time mitt romney picked up the nomination after the 112 republican debates that we were judged to. >> and somewhere to the right of herman cain >> i want do not think it's fair to paint taall the republicans with the mitt romney brush. >> the point that was being made is that even if you are not as. right leaning, as some would have you -- some folks may have you to -- some may try to paint you to be. by the time the primary is over, you have really come across -- >> it's true for both parties. >> sure. >> you see th
maybe they carve up the reasonable vote and rand paul walks through without looking. >> we know that jeb bush won the election in 2008. >> john mccain -- >> he also won, he took a hard line against immigration but was seen as a liberal republican earlier in his year. >> earlier in his career. >> at different points in his career. we tend to believe that moderate republicans can not get through the process but they have shown that it ends up happening. >> do...
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you've got brennan being held up by rand paul. he says he's going to place a hold on brennan at the cia. jack lew is undergoing questioning now and getting roughed up a bit. and right now his nomination may or may not be held up. what's the republican end game here? it's just not good for the national party brand. >> no, i don't think it is good, joe. and you've seen all this up close before. i think this is just a moment of leverage here. i mean, look. the president's got leverage on his domestic agenda right now. he's used his leverage after the election on taxes. you know, this is some leverage that republicans have to get some questions answered, to send some messages, to fire some shots across the bow. they're doing that. the white house is listening, by the way. it's mostly vice president biden who's talking to some of these more recalcitrant republicans and making sure they get what they need so they can get some of this stuff behind them. issues like benghazi. you know, i don't think there's any real issue with lew. as you
you've got brennan being held up by rand paul. he says he's going to place a hold on brennan at the cia. jack lew is undergoing questioning now and getting roughed up a bit. and right now his nomination may or may not be held up. what's the republican end game here? it's just not good for the national party brand. >> no, i don't think it is good, joe. and you've seen all this up close before. i think this is just a moment of leverage here. i mean, look. the president's got leverage on his...